# 🐣│cohort-voice
- Session: 004afd4e-6364-4555-9736-2d295925177f
- Channel: Discord #🐣│cohort-voice
- Started: 2026-06-12T16:29:38.977Z
- Ended: 2026-06-12T17:00:59.091Z
- Participants: Elco, duckanbro, samkuhlmann, ECWireless
[00:00:00] [Elco]: Is it anything she's like interesting? Okay. Bob was running up. It's gonna take a moment because the voice is made into a local models. It's going to be the floor because I I I would need to buy the the process to have more pixels. Um I always wanted to I always wanted to do technology that was blocked by ignorance and I just haven't been raised in different contexts. And I think uh the journey is a cool example of how the barriers have been removed and if you are intelligent and a system sinker, um something got pretty wild. Yeah, so you guys could drive it. I've I've dropped hints of what I've been doing uh for a while. Um so we have this thing here, which is a bit on the front. There is the helmets that I've been talking about. It's a switch app with kind of URL at the moment because I didn't want to do a lot of work eating because I really mission that's actually happening. Um I didn't wanna yeah, I'm not gonna put so much work into delicate UI stuff while the very convenient of interacting with machines is changing. So what I decided to do is we have to build what I'm calling an account a meta IDE that is controlled by voice, which is here, so can we put it side by side for example? And we can start a chat with cooler, which is my engineer. How are the problems trying to solve was to allow anyone who has uh intent to organize work out short coolers listening to me? Yeah, sending two messages is great, it gets a problem with me and shorts that fuck up later. Um because buttons can only be mounting at a time. But the bonus is that you just so I wanna get this done and then there's a little module that breaks it into component parts and strategize it's kind of for you and can talk to it and make it strategy better by the time that strategy guys is very very smart. And I've done many things with the helmets, uh including let me see if there's any I love when I'm well you can see the the beginning of the major icon and mission here. And all the research about my grandpa identity, how the tough deck actually works.
[00:00:10] [duckanbro]: Okay. Um one thing is that it is a little fuzzy. Okay, okay. Um let's get started and um So yeah, we're holding this fireside sessions and this is a transfer to talk to members and friends of members and and really anyone who's using AI in their uh professional life for adapting to this new world, using new tools, and we just want to kinda find out what everyone's doing and that's kind of the purpose of these fireside is uh modes from the edge. So today we're in with Elka and Elk is a long time radio member. Um and doing a lot of interesting stuff. Do you want to introduce yourself to me quite? Amazing. So we can give us some demos today. Um before you go to start or start who and how she'd like the um and maybe she can answer this question a bit. So with this demo that you're showing us is it's a harness. Does it have a name and what were the problems that you are trying to solve? Um that what we're kinda missing right now. Can they hear me? I don't hear anything right now if they're talking to them. Maybe Discord is like blocking this type down the road, which is really new. Okay. Should I talk to her? Hi, how are you doing? I was wondering, uh won't get into what tools you're using, but I'm wondering what uh still feels about kind of what you guys are solving with your uh architecture and system here. Thank you for answering that last question. I'm wondering what you're using uh for your model. Are you using a local model?
[00:03:00] [Elco]: and how uh Last Road wants a box to be um a lot of things right so uh like the polemic and golden dawn synthesis and this all has uh difficult output is in a database and the system knows what to go to look for and this is the magic behind uh that's tarot deck that you guys saw the other day just here which is a very consistent uh like well grounded attempt at building a design of a tarot deck um that is better than all the ones that I have currently and I really wanna get the slinted and I can mark it and then it's solid. So coherent generation component orchestration 578 cards more than 2000 attempts uh sorry for the lack of resolution guys but um yeah so this this is kind of the graduation moments for from a system um but yeah basically you just say to it I want to get this on and then it breaks it into component parts and now I can actually set a fleet of independent agent tech assoles to go and get stuff done which is the discovery of the S Uh they can dispatch my ID which I use an ID called Nandelus here and yeah so I just talked to them by voice in this which is a prototype of an app that I actually wanna give it to the world as open source called and so you can also create your own agent from scratch so if you go back to search for a new agent you have a process right and my concierge will interview about how this agent has to be able to do things and it would be born so you understand you can correct it and you want your agent and oh so this is my family of agents uh scratch is a is a testing one system default is just the MC agent Maddie's my engineer and wife is the one that builds agents who is a designer in man as my concierge guys a secret Ant D is a trading bot Jared is a useless angel butler and Barb is a content writer. Um but yeah so they are all friends and like it will do cool things they can go into the harness and look from the Horns so the coordinate memory system they know how to handle things for each other and they also know how to be all in a meeting together which I think is the most uh like impressive things are burning all right everybody we're all together here today just to uh show you uh powers to the people and maybe how some characters is that she might have uh you might have a list of things that you need to get to work on so just have you know Sana but you can hear them you cannot hear them oh fuck slow
[00:03:10] [duckanbro]: Um what do you use for a TTS service? Thanks. You don't have to give away all your secrets. Yeah, it's very cool. So um so this sits this is an IDE and isn't so you said you were using Mimulus, and what is what's that compared to like PS code recursor? Okay, mess. And are you um and said these are script apps or the m mobile apps for iPhone or that's super cool and some and then do you have kind of a planning um setup or scale up front so that helps uh lay out and speculate things to do. These layers of uh an LLM and then a harness and then you know like a melee layer touch it on top of that, and then maybe applications on top of that. Um it's an interesting stack how these things sort of layering on top of each other a lot of times are kind of interchangeable in happening places. Um which sounds like you're part of the lots following the herdings, um card code or uh codec in places. And how you want to tell a professional um designer and sisters design that was able to sort of not built on the superpower um application but I mean um transfer that system design methodology and thinking compared to the way you developed the maps, making on power with some of the graphic developers who have been doing this for years. Um and that all happened in a couple months, which I think is really impressive. I know that just from talking with you throughout you've gone down a lot of different values, um different uh research thoughts and philosophy type of people and sci-fi things. Some of those things are kind of interesting that you heard. Um I think yeah, this is one of those things where you just keep trying to.
[00:05:06] [duckanbro chat]: What are you working on right now?,
How has AI or automation changed your workflow?,
What tools, prompts, agents, or processes are actually useful?,
What still feels broken, risky, or confusing?,
What should other builders learn from your experience? (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1515031618358743141)
[00:06:00] [Elco]: This is a module existing this. It goes into the recording, how do I make it uh fight the device? I'm gonna camo my content. Okay. Can you hear uh let me see. Can it be the beat which is setting on a fan? Can you hear the magnet meeting? Uh you couldn't hear them then. All you need. Okay, we should have done a big movement to press it, but I can just uh I can like I'm gonna drop it, I'm gonna use open like the other open, but then they will hear you. Okay. Well everybody sorry there's there is a little bit of uh um you have fasting time. But uh go back to what we have to do together. Three threads on the table today. One. Switch forward source of truth, pillars A through E are landed. Next target is for profile reasoning serializations of two voices on the same profile stop racing. Two. Babylon was parody pillar B. A runtime injection of the tracker and combine verbs, Hermes first. The 2524 data still has a major arcana card is already into locking. Uh that was easy. That was very impressive because she actually used the memory system that installed two days ago. Uh B to find like uh a virtual entity that is live and do shit that is not means like shooting around another way that she would know about. Um she didn't answer to whatever. Every entry I surface to from the markdown store and you see it. The Figma thread is in there too. Three MCP servers wired. Talk to Figma plus the local dev mode and C C plus. Okay, and I gotta give away all our secrets now. Do you can wanna talk to you, okay? That's the question. We're gonna come back because it works. Um the only one who's running um just a straight codex. I can't really mix the home architecture so she has to assist them still cutscene. The other guys uh remember on this in the back and they they proved that we know that they did the ones. Yes, three blows. And then I'll be less. And the floor sort of immediate stuff removed on that. Still feels broken. Her turn bridge reconnect is flaggy. Every cloud indication is spawns a fresh NCP sub process. So the voice fluid is shown one person option. Her profile reasoning serialization isn't landed yet. So two voices on the same profile can race. Sovereign instances with their own state, memory, and personality. Multiple bables coexist on one machine without colliding. And the draft aligned is that she keeps misheard speech from firing destructive verbs. But she she uses reading model is called log.
[00:06:10] [duckanbro]: Have you run so you're running that a lot on the cloud right now from when she answered the question on her is uh are you using the the newest model or are uh well she was actually using local models, right? Uh or the uh posted for sequence. I have a news trailer that has just dropped in the last week or something. Does uh and also like you know, I've been hearing that there's some extra censorship to go down the longs. Um is have you run into any of that? Um who were we talking to yesterday something or Spencer said they haven't hit any other now, but uh have you seen that? Super cool. Um that demo that you showed um with the boardroom. Um the idea of uh yeah the yeah, one thing I I would probably impress it when you were talking about um being in the boardroom, having multiple agent personas and not all just like sucking on each other or uh trying to answer every single question if because you know I think there's like different ways around some people do like a talking plus move uh um but still it's like they wanna answer every question. Have you run into station's room for that? Yeah. So what do you think Yeah, there are Swiss schools? That's interesting. Um that these new models are much better than we ran the past. Have you so I guess speaking of past or maybe future now? One question I've been asking everyone is like what where do you see us in six months or a year from now? Um technology wise, or your product wise, um or and like what's the uh the pessimistic kind of doomer take? And also you know, what's the more positive optimistic take? I love that idea. Well yeah, I remember the the creatives and the people that open subs in that bucket uh have this out right now, which is just gonna like melt everybody. Yeah, we thought this out with a professional artist or painter or something, which I don't know too, but um you know what it unlocks the they can't help uh like point their creativity at the uh and then by accident along the way they learn system theory and uh
[00:07:51] [ECWireless chat]: If u got tts working in the meeting, that'd be awesome (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1515032310540406784)
[00:08:07] [ECWireless chat]: Oh can't hear either (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1515032376420466738)
[00:09:00] [Elco]: Speech detects is apparently running locally in the browser. And the veterans detection is smart time. Voice saving is someone on VID. Text to speech is local Kakaro. That's the voice you're hearing right now. It is open to source I like I I wouldn't give I want to give this meta ID to everyone but stop it somewhere. Yeah. It's just open source and then I can I can click on it. And if you have a similar um a similar philosophy to what I have where we have like a camera and you can try to sell it disappeared. Okay, that we can do the harness yeah, sorry. Um yeah, I was using it until I I was able to use the harness and has a better way to see the scene and files. And I just I was just done with cursor need to go out with virtual I wanted to connect my subs and say I have the control over everything so yeah as well. That's free so I went through it to make it okay that suddenly that we could work and graphics. But the harness itself uh same box which we're called consideration now being called battery nine, so please do not take that name, okay. Um they are switch apps first and I'm gonna put it into a web apps later. Um I did that because it's for me it was much easier as a non developer originally to stop my agents from being super shit if I was using the IP and DM plus. And then so it's just supports that architectural use it might have to put to the separation of the models in these cases by the UI separate. It's going to become a one-shot factory of apps. Now it's just like let's do something that has this and other capabilities on apps and available so that like uh is just gonna be like yes I know how to do whatever you didn't get the parts um and then the front end guys don't do that. So it's gonna get there. Uh number so yeah. Like clear feature but I don't use it all the time uh um teamside the harness all the time. But the harness would be like uh advance max uh uh but to do software you have to have method that allows uh teams to work to the ID and teams agents to work to the ID and it treats agents and very like visible entities with specific telemetry and sensibility and sound and stuff that they do from the Google Doc etc but that's all you had a more advanced uh governance um civic software.
[00:09:10] [duckanbro]: And my hoops are what you're mentioning. Um how to how to build and deploy production level experiences for people. And yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean it's like the like utilitarian corporate apps. We'll probably see some very great stuff talking. Which is is really cool and I'm actually looking forward to it. Amazing. Um well we're we are at the 30 minute night just uh structured interview, but is uh was there some other things you wanted to talk about? I mean and first off, thanks again for hopping in here. I always enjoy seeing what you're working on and talking to you and your advice is always amazing and you're very good and building so hopefully for all those things. Um yeah, is there anything else you want to share or any links to this stuff? Um your webpage.
[00:12:00] [Elco]: Um that I talked to you about commanding um itself. So then what is your civilization level collaboration root agents? Yeah, but uh my work is to make whatever you create the is that's just like um opening on but the whole thing is achieving the keeping in f the work and human creative side room and tenix intent of provider and sat on click download the entire system taking the take for some of the agents and and so then the final step would be the orchestration of orchestrated KV teams. I've been saying this shit is happening usually happening to come in sci-fi nobody but it finally came together like all together for these last few days. Um sci-fi like I woke you up to located on the culture because everybody talks about the culture now. Uh he woke me up to pattern images and uh sample but then I started trying to go up and stuff to issue us and then I think I could, but I don't want to talk about it because the group of people uh see the line operating and then that research should be to the uh the threaded memory boat for the code security and then back button stuff and I would I'm collaborating with Joe because Joe Joe's very much is interested in doing a little file system. Um actually is very needed, especially because function capabilities and um like designing as real knowledge stack about actors that could be inside system trade-ups and need to design to design lines on trying to show up with some floors that interaction model which design around trying to the word is a good security so the app seven to further the free one is it's made with C BCP. It's actually the treatment type now, you can do my mission to she doesn't she she uses squad 4.7 right now because she can't show up, but she also doesn't do any recording. Um all the thing is use Shot PT because it sucks. Um and then I use show the one side here is also there and you doubt analysis more like heavy thinking that it's she is here. That's even pretty much work.
[00:12:13] [ECWireless chat]: I'm in an airport again, so unfortunately gotta drop in a bit (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1515033409964081173)
[00:15:00] [Elco]: It's not it's not the whole level. It's just it's just a good model to keep track of uh large amount of things. Um and sometimes to do it one shot uh things that I move like to or just explain that's a lot of information when it is good way to look quickly. So I got like I my big fight with models in general, that's why I created um actually because it is an extra name that I decided to use and I'm getting sick. But um so now is uh is uh human he is the defender of the code quality and he looks by work at the tree and the leaf. So my parent coding philosophy is to learn the modules that can connect and switch words that then go out. So there's never a solution that is hard there's never a uh uh a sound solutions. It's all it's all like hard. So it there's a very clear method beside the team. And it's really hard to get uh the models working at the pro like the frontier of the problem to spec and structure every time perfectly. And I don't know how to review the code myself. So I built uh members that is a ideological Z loss. But there is actually the G the model screen of the show that they did and when I follow to have a node solid to my free four node to like I give it a certain feature to my development process and then like look at everything that was done recently and that screen that should have as well. So if the idea of the future is born and I build it and actually that's like receiving um you know it's meta ID thing, but it's just a basic message that really like it has this view, it has every feature you can post uh leaders leave straight like it became a meta ID with all of the features for any runtime it's actually nice. But like now it's just running the bad server and X GS sort of um and then after the feature set is all built, I think it's understood I clean up all of these mistakes, straight subnets everywhere that the box do. And everything works in the little perfectly DVM plus box, then I put it to a search in here and then it's fine very goodly separated and and well seen and then I put it back well that's the part of these I'll show it back to that. Watch them keep things happening on all of the surfaces, which is very impressive. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They didn't say this one, but no, I'm not especially literally what I was trying to do. So to get these guys to understand when like to create a tricky process that is separated from the evidence process and to create a hierarchy or to create the infusion.
[00:18:00] [Elco]: It's eventually what I set out to be real back in the day and that's when we start talking about this one told you about the house with the agents that are shaking the radius, you know. But it had to f in the constitution. It has to have like it has to start with law. That's like CBD. I don't have a do it. But um I I think AI doesn't have to improve any percent from what it is now to completely sex uh people free because as a resumer who doesn't have a degree, who wanted to be a media director, who wanted to be a bunch of things that I could not do because it's social blockages, but I do have the skill cognition capacity, creativity, and resolve to achieve those things. Um I think that uh a live just as it is now is going to severely damage uh just structured systems and privilege and I want all my people lose the device. And it's gonna there's gonna be a a strong layer of blind voices coming into the world coming up in uh critical world. I think it's super cool to let the game from that's that's why I did the time by first because then like I would get to take in a conversation with the people that are probably most likely terrified of AI and I get to say no it's it's it's a secret. My mind for you would be about two things, are the politics, arguably and um like the word, but it's virtuality or just like total whatever the fuck people call it the reason for this. Uh so the system that came out where very much in um that intersections. And it's getting finalized and then putting some micros there, you know. Which will be coming on soon. Unfortunately we need to uh drain about the two and much to move their mouth. Um I have to be running after friends all the time, uh this one recently with uh we're uh roadblock so I'm a bit more basic seeds. So if anybody wants to need it on these systems, there is a small round available because it's gonna need a lot to get this to uh installed and I finally saw the true shape of the thing, and now it's true to see my hand and I really want to go to everyone's gone.