# 🐣│cohort-voice
- Session: 0684e418-5fc8-4195-90b0-634fe1aa32f2
- Channel: Discord #🐣│cohort-voice
- Started: 2026-06-17T21:59:14.912Z
- Ended: 2026-06-17T22:36:39.792Z
- Participants: duckanbro, victorthe1st.eth (YkW), takekek, ECWireless
[00:00:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: Yeah. But uh Oh great, so it's my web three more crypto shows, so I'm trying to complain. Uh yeah, I'm working uh pretty much on SEM for Yeah, pretty much like new range in the the last few years. Uh you know uh what's it called? A lot of the words system and uh circular words and uh right now we're working on like a column integration and things like that. I don't do get salary at one my life, so it's it's not really like I don't know like big business or anything, but uh sort of out of the biggest the biggest career. So I'm still back for sheet and uh uh when uh one of the books. Yeah, pretty much uh uh usual tech, but uh they I played for all my AI videos, so that's that feels good. Yeah, yeah. See pretty quick, like I kinda felt like it's it was an audio thing just a year ago, and now I think all my code is written and uh sure my name's it, uh young career, I think in this group. Uh working together probably is now uh started my starting my career in in uh changing the cartel that comes into uh raid girl and um kind of working with these guys on some things and I'm a report on some other things, uh do my own projects, uh big hazard ones, things like that. Uh one coins, a couple of things like that, uh I've I've done a few server projects, I've worked with some people on the other projects, uh lives and fall, maybe crypto, uh um bear markets and bull markets, things like the NFT room and things like that, uh a couple of mods. Um yeah looking for Abby Man is like there's some good. Yeah. I think I think so like the song was pretty rough for the I think it was um then I had uh like I was just the only the only one who lived for a time I would rather do.
[00:00:02] [duckanbro]: Okay. I have a thoughts here. Um how you been, man. So build and stuff? Yeah. So now you guys are you're working on that full time or nice. That's kind of well, yeah man, so we're we're trying to do a little bit of a a reboot here, uh guild. Um we're still doing some web three stuff for sure. There's a couple of jobs going on, but um we're getting more and more into AI with we've been building some more tools, we've got red guild.ai now. And basically through that like in this case month we're like, let's reach out to some people that we haven't heard from for a while, some members, um, even some like people in different industries and just kind of see how they're using AI because it's it's it's interesting, it's kind of a different story for everyone, so it's been kind of fun. You know, just hearing back from from guys like you. Um and just hearing what other people are up to, so um I know. Yeah, totally. Um yeah, so uh can you do a quick intro just'cause we're recording and and this is like following into uh uh content pipeline and stuff. For sure, yeah. Oh yeah, well uh no, that's great as uh intro. I mean so I have I have a list of questions and I think I may come off a little robotic uh I'm working on the the hosting those kind of things. Um but uh yeah so uh one of the things we're really curious about is like how people are adapting. It's like um there's a lot of kind of uncertainty and and stuff in the air about future work and we're just wondering like as AI's coming in, is it like are you it sounds like you're leaning into it or are you avoiding it? Is uh um you know how are you how has it changed your coding and developing screens? Um how's it changed everything? For sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah, what was your experience? Because uh for me it was kinda like okay, like Chat GT came out and I was like, okay, like let me ask you to make it like helping with this function. I was like, Oh yeah, it's not bad, like yeah, actually this actually is kinda good, maybe and and then it was like, you know, copy and paste, and then a little cursor or VS code came out and I was like, well maybe we'll we'll just try to do this whole like pay page of code. See what happens and it was like the trust kinda builds up over time and until yeah, like for me it's like barely much in code anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I kinda wonder like I also being someone who's doing code control.
[00:00:10] [takekek]: Yo. Yo. I think the the follow-up is is um what uh what to you still feels like it's broken or can be approved in that process?
[00:03:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: done. It's hard to kinda pick something new up and still get work done at the same time. Uh so that kinda knows so like, okay, uh, you know, how how much of this can I do while also making sure it's always correct and like I think there's a good there was a good time where it was the last time where I I just didn't trust it, right? And I was like, I don't I don't have to send the IDO and then a lot of them was so early on a lot of it was wrong. I did like pretty much you know what I do is about the same amount of time you write the code. Um people I work with uh really into it for the uh really early adopters but it's actually one of the guys kinda did his own plan that you it was on chain AI or it's all the same that would I know I don't think he had exactly it was uh uh I I don't know like get it wrong it was like uh crypto and AI combined with like uh the providers and they were c a little bit in that kind of pushing me you know to use around and that that helped kind of get past the the that that barrier disaster. Uh yeah I think I I started with like okay it's still units code that someone else wrote something like how does it work. Uh that that was really nice. A lot of like exploring code races are exploring ideas. Um I was I super happy a lot like that was like the first kind of like super auto complete pretty kind of distributions and then I probably sent like like a thousand dollars on supermodel skipping us to it. Uh uh I I think I I was one of the first time I wrote call with AI where I was just off basing and stuff and then trying and um I think it definitely was like a bird like a sorry like uh what am I doing to try like Yeah it's kind of existential crisis of like I don't know I mean I if you wouldn't you get a code for news and it's like it's it uh it's a grind. Like the grind it you know it takes a long time to write uh a lot and then there's a lot of a lot of like and you know it kinda uh but once you finally finish it with like each of like fuck yeah I did that like and it kind of takes that away uh but the um I I kinda like I I did it really like uh uh uh I liked it to like you know do a painter like every every bless show do you remember
[00:03:02] [duckanbro]: long time and kinda having to untrain myself in different ways. And then retrain myself on this new stuff. I don't think like that's nothing new for us that have been dabbing across multiple different uh coding like paradigms and hype cycles, but um this one is definitely a little different. Um, you know. The so that was kinda earlier and uh now are you still kinda uh do you use cloud or do you use codex or uh open AI chat still or or what what's kind of your process around that are you getting any more advanced and yeah. Let me one second keep keep talking, but I gotta run out and grab my kids real quick so take can you help if uh if I get you but I'm certainly listening. That's that's cool. So I'm I'm still using the Codex terminal for a lot of stuff, mainly because I'm on Linux and I haven't released uh a desktop app yet. Um but it it looks really pretty awesome. Um have you Yeah yeah. That's interesting'cause my um my experience I've been I kind of like early on I started setting up kinda host of instances to do a lot of development. So um instead of doing a lot of local dev it's kinda weird now I'm like I've dropped these different frameworks and stuff where I can not k I guess kinda like open cloud but um a little different. One of the the nice things though that I've recently been getting more into is um a couple of things. I guess like work trees I'm in like work trees I don't know if you play with that but it's kinda nice if you're working in one repo and you want to do uh multiple different uh angles, you know? And not be centering on your own toes. But the other thing is like kinda like workflows and more automation tasks and like setting things up to run in the middle of the night or to run like several things you know in a longer process. Have you said anything of that? Yeah. Oh yeah for sure. Yeah for sure. I know it's so crazy. Well like so you're building like a little uh wrapper around the C L I put like another C L I wrap around the C O I've Yeah that's huge. So with all the um I mean you already kinda touched on it but with things just changing so fast. Like have you projected out a little bit about what six months or a year in a couple of years from now is gonna look like do you do you have an optimistic take and more uh pessimistic Doom take. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting we have one of the guys that came on was
[00:06:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: Like the like only review that um you can picture but you know where the color you do every decision delay and then eventually you get a picture and then I say the way out you kinda just like put all the colors on the like diesel or whatever it is and then you just like throw it at the paint and like the picture and then it makes something like a similar flip. And then you do a handoff and that's just like you adjust it, yeah, then you throw back into what another page and be f it's a bit different. Yeah, f yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah, I use I use a bunch of subscriptions for it. Yeah, I mean it you can't really be for like 200 a month to cloud and f and flow that's whatever like anything any credits are just gonna buried out of the water. Uh I suggest I I'm still searching there like we're just saying it would use a new paradigm stuff, so I'm always kind of adjusting what you wanna. Um I fair shouldn't. But I also just using the codex hat like full time pretty much. I guess I guess like the the best mobile experience. Uh I kept trying to figure out ways that I could like kind of prompt for my pen. Like my I jumped in like T is like always prompting, right? Like there's there's no reason why you shouldn't be prompting at all times. Or learning a loop or or running a route loop or something like that, where it's always a kind of chugging away at something. Uh but yeah, the codex app I've been having I think it's been like two weeks I've been using it and I I really like works in now with AI, mainly because like I'm uh go down and put it up on your phone and it works really well for me. Um I did a lot of top code as well, like especially when um uh was a serious came out, like I use it to tell you the big dude, but uh that was cool. Um I know my my team members are big co-op guys. Um we started with like I think it was called coin for something there. I mean I I was using uh a couple other figures. I I used word shortwell, I still use word for terminal, but um there's another eye solution and like I just try to find the best running search and you know Japan, but also to review code, right? I think that's name what I'm doing now, is it's I'm just uh engineering manager do I have all these uh coworkers that are AI and so then I just review it, right? Uh so that's kind of uh the name of the game right now. Um yeah, I don't know. If you want the more detail this ask you, it's just like they like to get more detail. Uh alright, yes, something that can be improved. I th I mean I think I looked at while I switched the codex app over like using the channel notice.
[00:06:02] [duckanbro]: Clawbank, I don't know if you've seen that, but it he was um that was always justice. And he's trying to build up these kind of semi autonomous agents that can launch their own companies and uh we it's still yeah, you know, there's a lot of experimentation still moving and still going. But I think that you're right on the fact that devs are still gonna be around and as we're doing a lot of these talks with other devs, I think it's just like when people are adapting and changing their workflows or understanding how to kinda become the we're we're calling ourselves now a forward deployed agency, so it's kinda like, yeah, we're gonna do we're gonna lean into AI, but we still know what we're doing. And um we're not like just the guy that is driving his truck all day. We understand that uh AI has expanded our capabilities, so we'll use it. Yeah. I think there's always gonna need to be that you know, human in the loop or whatever, but it it one thing that we've noticed, maybe not yet, they're getting better at curation huh. Um but I I think one thing that it's getting better at, it still has a little ways to go, but it's just kinda like pulling the signal out of a lot of information, and and one of the problems with the DAOs and that we were doing was just there was just too many people, too many opinions, a stream of consciousness and all the different chat forms, and it was hard to like really understand what anyone wanted. And so hopefully it gets better kinda surfacing the important bits and like letting a a community really know itself better than um everyone having their own tank all the time. But yeah, I mean Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Um I know. Yeah, it's how uh do you go in and you kinda go line by line and review uh you kinda have it sounded like you had a bit of a reviewer group for a flight cast, you have played. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Well, uh those are basically the questions you wanted to run through. Um thanks a lot, young kid, for coming in. No, I think you did. I think you really did and your perspective is is actually good because it it's more aligned with my perspective than a lot of the other people we talked about, which is, you know, a long term dev that was kind of trying to figure out and navigate these new waters. Um so yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think in the also it's like, okay, well, it's not you know, it's not uh every executive team going and firing all engineers. It's it's not that that and I don't think it'll ever be that. But the engineers are gonna be doing something different and
[00:09:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: I I'm I'm trying to I'm usually channeled and things like that, but uh a couple of the things is like uh it was pretty annoying to have uh you know, I'd be writing it down and then I'd actually click like the wrong button and then like you know what they're called gets the reader or something, there's no one do button and uh and that could be you know, you can be you go you get around that by using the text in the copy and basing, but sometimes you just kind of write and equipment and then without that kind of sear off and then managing terminal terminal uh windows for me. Um I think with like colour itself, you can you get uh nice an IC wide you can see everything that's running at one time, you can pull up the little readings and the comments and movies. Um that's changed to the change with the comments on it. Um I think but that's for the motor innovation, right? Like that.'Cause I was using um uh I mean I I I was like uh screenshoting with my phone, right? Like uh doing like uh turning this kind of uh SSH into the firmware and stuff like these are remote. And it just sucks. Like it was it it took forever. It w it didn't feel like I was able to keep the set of momentum on my phone that I could on my like the view. But I think codex kind of f now I think it's it's pretty much uh like I can move I I'm putting the blue code and I can like find at the same scene and then spoke them. So that was really good to do with the five. Yeah, I think fair Yeah. Uh yeah, yeah, so the entry trees for sure is kinda funny because uh our stack is gigantic. It's like super heavy, so uh it's really annoying to switch one tree and just in the app line because it's like it's run like free word trees and that everything starts to communicate and every every performance starts to do. But yeah, the root a hundred percent I've used in other projects. And actually colored sounds like really nice. That that's actually another reason I I use it. Um quite uh I don't use it, I think it's an automations and pairs. I I don't use them as much. Uh other than like uh, you know, i it I it's a PR issue remote or like audio radio and things like that. Um I should be moving more. I don't really get I didn't got into the right leads to that. Um I do pretty I use signing and and goal mode a lot. I don't know if you're familiar with like uh you can you can set a goal on on codecs and it'll just single you set like a criteria of like the goals to initially just continue to set it.
[00:09:02] [duckanbro]: It looks a little different, but it's basically the same thing. And really like we were talking about this earlier too, it's like for a lot of the stuff, eighty percent a it can nail that, you know. One shot it. But it's the other twenty percent that is just like never get done. I mean we talked to so many people and even devs that have been doing this for line product builders that are now devs that it's just like the they may be really good at the first ten percent naturally because they they're a product designer. But they um and then they get the other eighty percent but then it's like, okay, well now how do I handle infrastructure and and how do I deploy this and how do I like manage it going forward? Or it's someone who's like really good at deployment and maybe weak uh planning and and product design and then, you know, it's like you never get to full of emergents, so it's good at the middle. But uh the edges don't need people for now at least. But for sure. Yeah, and it's pretty nice when you can just be like, uh, you know, right through the dogs. And it it's like okay button. Um it's not bad, you know. Where would it take like maybe a month or so just like writing dogs. Yeah. And uh don't tell the guys who wrote the docs. But yeah, for sure. But it's strange enough that yeah, a lot of art can now just be like zip through. So thanks a lot again for joining, man, and I'm hoping we can talk to you more and you stop by a little more. We we're doing sessions like this all months with different people. Um so if you know anyone who would want to do it, for it on uh like the link to the Google calendar. And also when once we finish I think it'll be pretty interesting. We'll have you know, multiple takes and perspectives and we can kinda synthesize it on this and some different uh something. No no, no, like uh yeah, we're gonna we're actually we're trying to reach out to um more people and just yeah, you know, use this as a way to talk to people and give you no different perspectives, so definitely not only rage job folks. Okay, yeah, no problem then, for sure. Yeah, you know, there's also like talking to some like we talked to an SEO guy, um you know, so not a dev at all. But that industry is also like copywriting and all that is just totally been vaporized overnight, you know, so it's like but there's they've adapted and th you know there's this whole GBO and AIEO and all these things now that are are just different angles for the same old problem. But uh hey and say and E C do you guys have any comments from the same WhatsApp?
[00:12:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: when uh like running in the road that's how we go being reached. So that works pretty well. Oh, this is like two weeks code. I feel like I'm constantly switching up what I do. Uh so that's kinda like the how we start talk about for work to me a month ago I don't even use anymore. Um I don't uh I better be unlocked with the building CLIs for the the for the the agents page to use so then I go to the CLI like um uh I think I might I go one sort of like it uses a Twitter API and to hear how many people uh write this and like uh what their nose what's uh uh pull the comments like that and like pull all the like the the data about the the tweet you're we're trying to kind of got all motives and then it just hope that was CL so that it knows how to use C L I and they can just kind of say a ask you know they just use RAIs to get it to send up the C L I and uh what I'll do about the cheat so that that's a pretty good unlock. Um there's also ones like the user to like f no like all f anything. I think we have one type janitor that it f let's uh uh folks that are uh being used that are like kind of open and uh it seems that you like fill all those posts right so you just build a C L I uh trial and it you teach it how to use the C L If it was scale right you just like document you know uh they just like five commands or things like that. That that that's pretty nice unlocked. Uh I think C L I's a pretty well um I think I sh again it's one of those things it's like it's it's trigger so fast. I think the if you ask me in the week to do a it would have been uh yeah we're actually doing this thing where we're you know spending money uh on a month and subscription that uh you know it's sitting up like solar farms and killing guarding but uh we get a lot of code. So uh after like looks right it seems like there's gonna be in the like lockdown on a lot of these higher higher for the models. Uh so that's that's interesting that like um I think I don't even crave it's hurt with anybody at the moment. Um I don't know I used Randall I don't know if it was that good. I don't know why we did it. But uh the it seems like there's gonna be more who knows what's gonna happen when the when they start locking down the inside at hours or only certain people can use
[00:15:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: for certain things and uh that that seems concerning to me. Uh uh dev I don't know. I don't know, uh I think I'm gonna replace that short in uh at least not in the next year. Um rather getting them loop like they did the whole uh like a medium uh which is pretty well that was just kinda kind of people uh even to have certain answers. Uh yeah uh I'm not sure I I don't know if quite that the like uh agents will make their own apps and their own companies uh like yeah one one thing I don't think is for I mean we're all kinda gal guys right like we're all doing uh the uh uh you know we're like uh um proposals and and reading you know governance and things like that and I I guess it I don't really think it helps with that. I I I think a lot of people want it like oh now gals can have AIs with and and decide what's good and what's bad. But I I don't know how to do it like that. I don't I don't think uh I don't know I don't know if you want to talk about what it's like that seems like a very human like government in itself. Maybe it's like obviously writing some like a little bit of a human but I always get to ask you that move in and stuff like that. F I don't know man. We have uh we have a five Twitter chat called cause C O S. Uh she was sad for it's cool. And they kinda like you can tell it to like make a linear instrument for a table or hey look to the code all marketers like, hey how's this like and they go to the code and then like just saying it to you. Uh that that's really helpful. You know that's people it's wrong it's a black kind of like corrupt it which is a uh I did like I guess. But um yeah that that is really helpful. Uh I kinda I didn't expect it from but it's that's for sure. You know two years ago we were ever code all that covers and f now it's code. That's what I would do. Yeah covert f I think uh yeah a lot of like um I think how I love our own like just gonna play right or something bad and how to write so that it can really test itself out. Um screenshot
[00:18:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: I'd be screaming that uh changes on it, stuff like that. But even then um you know it's I thought it's such an extra signal like you're saying, right? I don't know if I I'm just blindly trusting it. So I I I every code that gets shipped, I try to read. Um I don't know if I really like code ship but I'll read again. It was it was definitely more of the f problem that we do, right? I just I didn't trust anything Israel. I think now I I might have a little more leniency on the sorry I f didn't have any like s strong answers, man. It's I mean just uh Yeah, I definitely I think I definitely had some existential crisis moments for a little bit. I don't know, when you when you're writing so much code and like it's not when you're writing no code. That was probably the hardest bike room. But uh I think it's better now. I mean once you get lodging the nice driven uh and the tool and the tooling's better, uh feeling much more enjoyable process. Um scrap of it's fine. I I definitely don't miss writing like all the busier uh like all the um I don't like any gig issues anymore, I don't like any gig commits anymore. You know, that's pretty sweet. But that I mean I don't know. But yeah. Uh I'm not f but wrong yet. You know, I I think I I um like argued out some of the I think it was I think the Dowhouse like tool and like uh I told the user does on the um I might be wrong, but it was the Dow House dev the tool that we guys are building. And I do have like this, like uh explained and it would have been a lot better if you have an AI. I think it was like the first draft I looked at uh f I like do they have to be uh it had to be X regular or uh X uh Yeah, let me see like some of my code design because they definitely have no front songs that they would use the fuck out of it. So maybe I'm gonna get I can get a f the regular bottom song. Yeah, f I'll f I like f yeah. Shit. I was worried about my job, I was just like I don't have no hope this anymore.
[00:21:00] [victorthe1st.eth (YkW)]: I'm like I actually have one out and I drink too much last night, so I'm not kind of easy to do like Yeah. They're all pretty heavy like uh well okay. I don't know what's been doing anything that uh they're doing uh it's except the minor things, but we're we're they're doing pretty heavy into like the time or use on the EPL. Um just just hasn't becoming more of a as the company goes, uh projects or uh the pretty heavy collaborative though. I think a lot of us know tools like I said we build a CLI tools on different classes over, like I was telling D kind about uh Twitter I built that was for marketing. So they they use that every day, you know. Uh so I think there's a lot of channels that everybody building these. Like once once like you have a scroll that you know, instead of two goals and slower the then other deaths you kinda pick it up and use it for installs. Uh in terms of worry like a sec uh about what we're gonna build, yeah. So like I'm working on card innovation and s like requires a couple of different uh updates and a couple different uh uh a couple different changes to the uh uh students task is so different changes the act as structures, so I have the I write like a sec and then everyone goes in and reads the that sec and is like, Oh, this makes sense. Uh is that kind of what you're gonna have one more? Right. Oh it's definitely one person kind of one thing for sure. It's like you do cards, you do you know, past drug, you do um on the on ramps, yeah, yeah, for sure. Not a lot of like
[00:33:35] [ECWireless]: I just uh definitely feel the whole month of existential dread. Uh the whenever I no longer was uh writing any code. Uh it was not a very fun experience. Um but yeah, you fight your footing and you get used to it, I guess. Um Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's just like eight years of nine years of my life, all of us out of just like, what was the point? Kind of thing. Um I I mean I are we at the half hour? I don't wanna go down uh honest. Um I was gonna ask something along the lines of uh um oh yeah, I guess I think that like a theme that's come up uh through these sessions is like the uh like people not collaborating the same way that they did before. And I'm curious what your experience has been with like people you like work with every day, or even just um within like a developer ecosystem, like how has the nature of actually working together uh been? Like are people even working on the same repos anymore? How do you separate on the same repo? Like that kind of stuff. But it's like uh you're like building tools internal for other devs to use, and that's how that collaboration goes. It's not as though there is something that's like user-facing or product-oriented that people are working on together anymore. It's more these separate pieces of tools that uh get shared amongst each other. Or I guess even like so peeps people read the spec and it's for a particular thing. How do people actually break up doing like executing on that thing? Like, because nowadays you'd almost have one person like, oh, I've got three agents or whatever, I'm gonna do the whole thing.