# 🐣│cohort-voice
- Session: 1609af18-9d5a-410a-9b9a-5e07ab097ed3
- Channel: Discord #🐣│cohort-voice
- Started: 2026-06-23T16:03:16.055Z
- Ended: 2026-06-23T16:39:28.974Z
- Participants: duckanbro, ECWireless, 0xHunter, louchi, Aphilos • Pharo
[00:00:00] [ECWireless]: Yeah, you're coming through. Uh yeah, I mean I I don't want to abuse your time, Andrew if you have to uh drop but uh something that I was thinking about is the you know, traditionally with programming, whenever you would do like interviews, what kind of thing people would often ask is like what is your favorite part of programming? Like what is your uh the thing you focus on with it that are like uh are most excited about? In the last year of switching to like the new types of workflow and not touching code at all, do you have something that is like your favorite thing to do work-wise right now? Whether it's like something in the hardware or making like loops with the agents, like is there something where you're like excited to sit down to get to work on in the same way that like a programmer would get excited to you know like refactor code for whatever reason be excited about that? Like what's what's your thing that you're you're excited about uh doing with like workflows?
[00:00:00] [0xHunter]: Uh I don't think so. Yeah, uh I'm Hunter. Um I work with Datalist Consulting currently, which is a company that I founded about a year ago. Um we build custom software, do training, um integration, technical consulting, that kind of stuff for uh um medium sized businesses. A lot of a lot of businesses like medical reader, um accounting, that kind of stuff, and we build things like custom CRMs, uh health records photos, stuff like that. Where um our main uh principle that we've got the company on is we uh we're gonna like obviously SaaS is gonna die um software's gonna cheap to build and we wanna build that software for small companies and have them own it and have an owner of infrastructure and host their own stuff so A they own everything and B they can request a feature change, or we can teach them how to do feature changes themselves eventually forward up next week and sort of live on SAS set just kind of fix them because it's perfectly fit the the virtual. Um yeah, and my background is uh in DevOps did start under a while, um, sort of engineer and before uh sort of doing this consulting I was actually working in Banquis's sale at something called Banquist Consulting and I was doing tokenomics and engineering consulting for one three projects. Yeah. Yeah, so since we since part of the classroom like I said is to have people do build custom software who people help them host it and own it. We our goal to kind of pretty much almost say there are a couple of things we do ourselves or in practical um uh email is very hard to do itself because it's reputation based uh but I don't think it's that but our goal is to uh internally field and host all of our own software from general stuff, so we have our um C A M that we built internally to have it, so we have our own uh media transcription summary uh uh uh solution that we've got. Um worker on a person with self-host of video call, which I'm kinda excited about because you can
[00:00:00] [duckanbro]: Good. I'll just try to hold them in the shit. Test. Okay. Sounds okay now, I think. Cool. Well thanks, Hunter. Have we met before? Oh, okay. There's another hunter, that's Johnny. Um I guess he's on a different project. Well, uh my name's Deacon, um who's one of the people's start rate build. And this month we'll just do these interviews with people. Um it's calling it fire sides. Sorry, one second. Okay, sorry. Um and real it's kind of like market research, but also just kind of like just understanding how people are are using AI in different ways. We're all going through this kind of crazy disruption at the same time. And it's touching basically every every profession in some way. Uh big webs and charters of how like kind of up to the ground floor. Um but a lot of us are adaptive and relays, trying to learn new things. Um a lot of people in product development have gone from being just a computer pro uh project manager to uh uh dev or a designer and dev and so a lot of people are doing a lot of different brains. Really it's just have like a set of questions and running by different people to get different perspectives. Um that's not even you just in web development, it's in uh in the we talk to someone in MSEO, we talked to someone or we're talking to someone who's a local family doctor, so you know there's like different angles here just seeing how other people are using it. So thanks uh again for joining. I am recording uh audio and using the user to help kind of fill in our our local memory systems. Um so to start can you introduce yourself? Yeah, totally. Okay, great, awesome. Nice to meet you here. You're on the front line actually, so we can get your subject of the things. Um so I guess you guys saw this opportunity over a year ago. But a lot has changed over the last year. How have you like started this new kind of uh consultancy agency? How have you guys been changing and adapting um the AI tools and in more like your daily work for the solutions that you provide? Yeah, uh we that's funny convert. Um a lot of what we're doing here, some of the and a lot of the discussions right now are are around this this same idea, you know, it's like if we can start having a little more control of this stuff, then we can start.
[00:03:00] [0xHunter]: integrated. And the nice thing about setting all these things off internally is you can obviously easily integrate them all into each other side. The video column app can connect to the transcription and we find it opened real easily that one. It depends on the project. So for example the internal transcription uh may take me off. Um the actual app itself I just did from scratch because I don't think it was that complicated um from structure as I was an AR from use codecs right now. Um obviously the open source components like the transcription and valorization models that we use are obviously open source like um just for um some Pi anecdote um and yeah so for something like that I would sort of craft it um step by step but for something like the video colour iPhones, and I guess my decision matrix here is like I do research for straight open source solutions if it makes sense. But for video colour for example there's not much custom you needed to do like I kinda wanted it to be like when we there's something just like create a new mood on a schedule meeting when it works in the stuff on it. And so I use actually it's a product from the French government called last suite. So it's called Meet and the the uh is called yes suite and the French government goes to us the different open source applications I don't believe the replacements for Google products. So that so I use that as a starting point. Well obviously what I send is because it's open source I can use change up on that. Yeah I I will say um on that mode of uh self-westing chat applications, that's another one where we want open source but I think one of the coolest things that are all recently, let's say in like the past six months are like since 355 trusted to do this is if you have your own servers what I did so we made the internal chat application and what I did is I have a screen codex that obviously just um tells it about how Cloudflow DNS is set up and which servers all that stuff deployed on and sort of how I want to decode. And so I can just use my skill which is data list deployed and then put through different open source chat applications and uh add and then get the um DLS that I want them on and just let it go set like the GPT 55 code is just let it go the three of those and then we're not gonna just try you trying to like, oh this one's cool, this one's cool. Um and then just turn down the other ones with one box that we didn't want um so
[00:03:00] [duckanbro chat]: here are the general Qs
What are you working on right now?,
How has AI or automation changed your workflow?,
What tools, prompts, agents, or processes are actually useful?,
What still feels broken, risky, or confusing?,
What should other builders learn from your experience? (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1519010714734301315)
[00:03:00] [duckanbro]: cooler workflows and automations and you know like getting everything kind of linked up and into this larger superstructure system which is has AI powers. When you're starting these new uh projects internally are do you use open source software to stick it off or you or is it just kinda like stack it out and then one shot or what's the process going on Yeah and I'm not the same sometimes I'm like this is simple I just do it and then um as as it flashes out and I start getting more customers and it's like man this is like really really quite stuff. There's probably an open source repo button has some um added to build it all so I have found some above sometimes it's just like build it sometimes open source. Um that's interesting with the French government stuff. There was a video chat uh that I did some projects on in the past, I can't remember what it was called, but that might be our next angle right now we're using Discord and we built my own transcription solution for Discord because it didn't really exist and um but my Discord it's it's just the constraints and the the ecosystem are starting to restrictive to us. Um that's okay. Um I got talking to C and look maybe the I think the the thing with some of these maybe not legacy platforms like this or um Discord and saying that but no the thing that they're what they're selling maybe now is discountability um accessibility safety. But yeah I mean you know if those aren't the things that you're trying to optimize for and you're actually trying to optimize for communication then maybe just h the only three does make sense. Um oh yeah totally so uh so you mentioned that you're using codecs right now. Um is that like your kind of primary harness colour or maybe open AI models or Juiz cloud code. Yeah I agree. Do you are using Codex L or you just don't see what CL or just I I'm uh Linux laptop data driver so the codex app isn't available yet so I I only know the CLI. I mean it feels like I can uh kind of replicate when you do what we're doing yeah um just really
[00:06:00] [0xHunter]: So we went with map matterness. So you guys should try you guys should try on matrix. I'm sure we maybe looked in into it, but we we retested that a little bit that showing and journal too, but then it would make sense. Yeah. And mainly for the past like three months, I think I've switched to Codex. So I originally realized on cursor for years I think. Uh and I was switching back and forth. I was on the Opus Train area for GPT 5.5 came out for a while using cursor and then JP 5.5 I wanted to try Codex and so a couple of months ago I switched to it. Um I scrolled to cloud code to track paper while it was out. Um and if I need some front end stuff I use um card code a little bit to do that and maybe go back to cursure sometimes. I like to feed my path of alpha and use them every once in a while just to make sure I'm not making it on that actually being better than the other, but right now from my phone from my style codex control is is really reliable. Uh I use the app. I I so I look I don't really know why people I don't know. I know some reasons why people might want to use a C L I but I don't really get um it's it's just some kind of LinkedIn content these days uh to use the C L I don't know if uh computer use is out for Linux yet, but um I I also run a Linux I have a Linux test on my laptop which I think is the best of the neighborhoods right now. Um computer use has been so good for me. Like as an example, uh I was published enough to do an app store this weekend, uh to buy App Store. Um process is it is in a web UI and I really didn't want to be uh those amount steps that app and mix you like I don't know, like adding products and pricing and and uh put in your app on test fighting. All these steps are really on a Victory, just run a Codex code with computer use and it did everything great from um so on the I think soon it would be on the CLI, but at least on the QR, it's it gives Codex the ability to use your computer subject. Yeah. Um it's probably just snapped in now the using the advocate for Windows tool that works it works really well on the map, and it can it can use the computer in the background so it can navigate web pages applications that aren't accessible via uh CLI or VLE.
[00:06:00] [duckanbro]: use Linux pretty well but um I am looking for the reaction and I I probably should be able to do the new area nice nice what what is computer use. Oh yeah. Oh interesting so well there I mean there's uh like run dangerously uh outside the sandbox or something like that with all the tags. Um but it doesn't I haven't seen a report to actually like besides using playwright or something like to actually f go and start moving my mouse around and then like that's okay. Yeah I can imagine. Uh so um you know if you did a lot of these this stuff on the front line really a lot of stuff on your local computer um where are things that you start kinda broken or too risky or confusing or complex, you know do you think AI is like solving problems? I mean compared to six months ago obviously is it like loot and instrument now Yeah that's crazy. Yeah that's all I've had to do that sometimes or where I'm even like I'm not even that like major snow. And it's like uh I'll ask it some question like I can't figure out the answer so it starts like reading my logs and like basically hacking my machine I'm like wow this is very impressive but you uh it's not a man is probably like creating secure titles and stuff so that's that's really cool. I I I link it up in radio to our railway and it's the same kind of thing I'm just like you know wanna do this and she's like so when you with your uh when you're doing with clients though especially like ones are a little less technical um the the things that kinda came up with us is uh like the first ten percent which is like planning and stacking and doing that and start and the last 10% which is really deployment and harmony and and things like that is but those are kind of like teaching a new client like this kind of stuff have you ran into issues around that um or is there like a bit of with your uh DevOps history where you go and like probably gotta sell a cloud player and and set you up on this and you know like it's a keys and do things like that now you're off or anything like that. Mm-hmm That's that seems very cool. Very powerful um and yet I really was trying to later and I could apply it, I think that's that's pretty cool. Yeah that's
[00:09:00] [0xHunter]: Yeah, I think I would a couple of months ago from even now I think the self-code side is obviously the QA side of it. Um like it can only give code most of the time, but if it doesn't, especially front end set type stuff, it's not gonna be a great job QR. Um I will say the computer use has helped with a lot of these functional QA most of the time, but it's still not good enough that I can trust um like a lot of the times I can trust the coded rights uh to be at least 3PP five by five and codex that a lot of the times I can't trust um actual front end help that's right for it. Like I like another but my dream and the way I think consulting and software is going is that I basically have call with the client and we walk through the business and different paths and basically spec out the software for them on a colourway. Um decisions sort of help them know what's available that can be created and help them help down good paths, and then the transcript from by call would build something or after the call I talk to codex and it'll be like, oh how do you want to do this technical thing, how do you want to do this type of thing, we make decisions about how it should be built and then it builds it reliably with a good front end um so that's the dream basically, at least my dream uh of doing consulting like that and right now I don't trust it to like reliable working front end. Um and I don't know when that's gonna come, but uh I would also say I I'm trying to teach some of our clients how to use cloud code, obviously, and I've been testing with some non technical people actually pushing VRs that I that I review for for features in the internal tools uh to help them be self-sufficient. And I will say I think I've been saying for a while basically if if Taylor gives everybody infinite digital power basically to do whatever they want. It's gonna be such a green field that the differentiation between people is gonna be what they build, right? Because everybody can build everything. And so I think I mean the crucial way so it's like, oh the the case is gonna be the only thing that matters, but I think it's more just quick decision making something that you choose is gonna become uh really important. Uh but uh yeah, so the teaching more technically obviously still the payment is very bad. Like it's fairly it can be fairly okay, but like
[00:09:00] [duckanbro]: something kind of we were messing with too because we So one of the things I think even outside the context and the so that we're trying to create kind of a shared memory system. And we have a a little like wrapper like a harness harness on on codex. But the um it's all it's also like uh you know people create tasks and workflows and and really these things are part of business intelligence and we want to be able to audit it and see what's going on. One one came that's came up in a lot of these talks is the kind of PC like they call it the atomization developers where everyone is just doing things locally sharing context is a big pain. And then we don't know what we were doing or how they were doing it. Um it's not repeatable and some of the questions are like maybe it doesn't need to be just slide new thing. But also there's something about sharing that stuff I think it's important for people. Anyways sorry not done there. Um yeah yeah but I think so too. And like if you look at the memory systems can they all handle them handle it in different ways like um some are fairly complex uh like Mem Zero or kind of big rag systems and you have um or sometimes they're real simple and and it's not like bio first and just kind of roll in memory and larger knowledge uh SODIC. There's a lot of weird angles for that. So all those are really like solutions for an individual in a lot of ways. So once you start like creating like a community or an organizational solution there's different trade offs. Yeah it needs to be a little more explicit I think you're right. Um okay so like uh well I guess we've really talked so we're trying to keep these around 30 minutes and I think we ran through this like all the questions are touched on in different angles. So thank you so much for coming on on um yeah you know we're just trying to get some high level stuff, you know everyone every cycle brings up something kind of many smooth and for everyone and um the perspective is especially a lot of as we all spoke to an agencies so it's um it was really Yeah. I'm gonna I'm I'm trying to take all these recordings and kind of collect some into um initially we're we're we're testing up some how to pipelines and it sits out uh we know topics to deep dive on some research stuff sorts out a couple uh kind of logs from really pretty slop pretty much slap right now but I think what's interesting that also about this kind of data is as you hone things and you get better at it and as get better you hang
[00:12:00] [0xHunter]: I feel like you have to understand the concepts of deployment to know what's happening and not feel uh real like the calling something unsafe or something. Um I I do I like anecdote about how smart codex is my super non-deck-in front. I was having them use Codex Semester with the 3D printer the other day. And he just told Codex, he's like, Well, can you make this a link that I can give to my friend to watch it for camera of his 3D printer? But it actually did something really it basically uses cloud for as uh secure tunnel and and DM DNS you can use in trial mode, or it's like try cloud flow.com. And it basically used that to host the video stream of the camera in a secure way with the cloud for trial uh yeah. Yeah, I I would say it really depends on how much the client wants to learn. So if I have a client that's really interested, I'm happy to teach them everything about the technical decisions and trade offs and how that works. Um if they're not interested, I would write something. I would something, like for example, for deployment. I I would write something that is robust and secure that perhaps uh codex or cloud code to put an MCP to deploy something or do some action. Um I've been doing that a lot recently, and I actually a lot of my clients are building on Codex and Cloud Code to do stuff for themselves right. Um I found I was actually kind of dismissive of MCPs uh when they first came out, but since everybody is in these interfaces now, it's kind of nice. Um my transcription uh or transcription internal application has um Google login and uh officer clients can log in to pull tag transcriptions, and then they can just go to settings and copy a flop that adds the MCP to their cloud or codex. And so we have a meeting transcription MCP in their codec so they they can ask any questions about the movements we have and add up the same amount, obviously. So I think they basically do like what we talked about in the meeting uh so little technical questions that we looked at here, and that's a very good start of this. So uh I will bring up so something that you know about it, something that hasn't been solved um is um for your last question, which I don't know if I think that's it, but something like this off is context uh um transferring context between people. There's not a good system for this, and I found the clients and even internally they're just copying and pasting messages to each other from codex or for for context something. Um there's just really not
[00:12:00] [duckanbro]: control and backdraw which I mean. So it'd be interesting like that where you can come out of that research side and a bunch a bunch of blog posts which um uh kind of mix I think that's what people should do not but um but at the end I uh having a more holistic view I think we see real things. But I really space for uh EC and uh who shouldn't forget if he has any questions for Hunter who's um his consultancy agent Hey man do you have anything on local everyone Yeah interest that is super interesting. What are your favorite local models I mean I guess I mean 39 systems and you don't try to mean on the halo but hello Cool. Yeah you Yeah. That's awesome. So appen source because we're gonna get in the wicked young together here. Yeah. Super cool.
[00:15:00] [0xHunter]: great system for often like uh because you can think of a system that you have an MCP that has access to different people's quad covers right but like how do you properly off all of that like maybe we'll get to a point where you can trust the model to like off certain conversations to certain scopes and then the MCP can pull people's uh context can basically talk to each other right but I don't know if the best solution is we're we're thinking about a lot right yeah I think it's it's the I think it's a scoping problem but I don't know what the solution is I think you when I say scope in fact it's kind of like you need to decide at runtime like in terms of if you're starting a new track or starting a new project you need to decide which workspace you're working in to scope it or an ally needs to decide I guess or as your system needs to decide which conversation threads you're having with let's say code X or some cloud to which scopes that other people can access and I don't know if it's I appreciate it. I I I think what you're doing is also really important because I I think AI is gonna make agency size smaller and it's gonna be more businesses and I think as we do that it's gonna isolate people's workflows more and more and we need to sort of stay connected to different people's workflows to to do Right. So I don't think so is that is this code name yeah yeah I have a for a company I have a lot of things yeah I I'm very clear with Michael I am for data as one of the first things we got around back was a strict hero and which is the LMD working machine that has 128 gigs of URM. It's kind of like compared to it to the DGX set this is before the DGX set but um so yeah so we have that for the business. Personally I have two thirty nineties that I do a lot of local AI on that I like um and I don't know my personal feeling is like if the models keep getting better exponentially uh let's say on a 3090 the the amount of intelligence you can get keeps them better and it it has been um I don't know how the price cover is gonna go down if the value keeps going up I mean there m there must be some bit even point where we can turn out a lot more hardware to meet the demand but it's just it's weird we've never seen at least I can't really think
[00:18:00] [0xHunter]: use case where updating software has made hardware so much more valuable. Um this maybe tested a sort of doing with a little bit, but it's it's interesting. Yeah. Um 3.627B I love and that's the model everybody's been level on the 49. Um it's just so smart and it was the first micro model I ran that passed my bar for transcript summarizations for like on the games and data list. Um and that was awesome because we can run our first locally sometimes I test other models if right now for transcription summaries and testing GLM five point two. But we have the not locally but we have the ability I'm not running GLM 5.2 locally maybe I am can run uh Quan 3.627 and and I actually have a if you if you on my local harder site if you guys want to go to Hunter dot cafe. That's my project where I just test local AI stuff. So it's just uh it's a wiki that I made where I can drop TDFs or D pod books into and it just chunks up the books and then uses Queen 3.627B to create Wikipedia pages or check if Wikipedia pages already exist um or wiki pages for different topics. And then it generates locally using um C image taboo type image for that page. And so I just wanted to make a piece of software like I just have my 3090s trim television. I can just drop a bunch of books in and it just I I can show I don't think it's very good. It's it's like a pet project. I can show the interest in that it's very simple. Like it's literally just search and pages. Um I um so I would as one of SAP controls we'd like and like pre a and I think this is what the software is uh people that wouldn't like for suffering in some of this houses um kind of like always from them people's punchline for editings uh like I I would say in my experience I didn't like this about coding I was embedded in my the analyst team to run time as a software the thing I might mostly look at something that's simply a lot of time that was really scared to them because I when I added pre allow script I could save something hours of doing something with Windows, that's what I like the most is like and they're like oh my god I can't believe I still just try to do the same and even though I also do a lot faster
[00:29:43] [louchi]: Hey guys. Hey guys. I was listening. OX Hunter, we know uh I'm Luis, uh a product designer. I I thought you was a Metacartel, or I don't remember. Um do you know Ben Lakoff from Bankless? Ah, okay. No, he he was one of the the the early users. Um so yeah, no, no nothing um uh to say, like your your background sounds amazing. Um I'm also uh believe that uh local agents are more efficient or at least prepare us to um use our hardware. So uh running all those models on your machine uh it gives you a feeling of freedom, right?
[00:33:19] [duckanbro chat]: hunter.cafe (https://discord.com/channels/684227450204323876/873247103231610931/1519018344106295519)